Re: Tenure Question
    Posted by: depends, back to Retiree on 4/19/16
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    I'm in California as well. I'm not sure why you say the info I
    posted is "not correct." What you've written doesn't contradict
    what I wrote as far as I can see (as long as the person you know
    who was not awarded permanent status after five years falls into
    one of the three categories I described, which I'm guessing they
    do - if they don't then the district was not following the law).

    Regarding the number of years, you and I have said the same
    thing. Your "Instead of it being three years for tenure year,
    it's only two years" and my "teachers [with the three
    exceptions] earn permanent status on the first day of their
    third year" are two different ways to say the same thing. Two
    years of probationary status, and then permanent status (or
    "tenure") earned on the first day of the third year.

    Yes, it used to be longer and yes, when the probationary period
    was shortened some rights were given up in exchange. I do not
    like the current system any more than you do, but it is what it
    is.
    In other words I basically agree with what you've written so I'm
    not sure why you say the info I posted is "ideal" and "not
    correct". The system is far from perfect but it is, at least,
    well-defined.

    On 4/18/16, Retiree wrote:
    >
    > It would be nice and ideal if the info. below was correct but
    sadly it
    > isn't. CTA gave up tenure rights along time ago. Instead of it
    > being three years for tenure year, it's only two years. Well
    with it,
    > a non tenured fully credentialed, fully qualified teacher can
    be let
    > go and they DO NOT have to state a reason other than, "You
    will not
    > be back next year." Prior to the two year tenure, help was
    provided
    > for struggling teachers and if they still didn't succeed they
    could let
    > them go. This is absolutely correct and was explained by a CTA
    > attorney. It would be great if the purpose was weeding out
    failing
    > teachers alone. However, if a political hack is waiting in the
    wings
    > for a position, they may get the job. Nice huh??? I think the
    old
    > three year tenure system was far better, but I'm an oldie and
    there
    > are lots of things I liked better in the past.
    > I do know someone who was strung along for about five years
    and
    > still not rewarded tenure. Yes, they CAN DO that!! Fair, no,
    but it
    > happens.
    > So glad I taught when I did and got out when I did. I never
    had any
    > problems but if I would have help would have been nice.
    >
    >
    >
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    >>
    >>
    >> All fully-credentialed California teachers working in
    >> regularly-funded, non-temporary positions in public schools
    >> earn permanent status on the first day of their third year.
    >> If they do not it is because of one of the following specific
    >> circumstances:
    >>
    >> (a) the teacher is on a temporary contract or is working in a
    >> categorically-funded position and has never worked in a
    >> regularly-funded non-temporary position;
    >>
    >> (b) the teacher is not fully credentialed (i.e., has an
    >> emergency credential or substitute permit in place of a
    >> preliminary credential or clear credential);
    >>
    >> (c) the teacher works in a private school, since private
    >> schools set their own rules regarding certification and
    >> employment status.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 4/05/16, Concerned employee wrote:
    >>>> After working for a school district for four years could a
    >>> school district hire a
    >>>> teacher back the fifth year but not give the teacher
    >>> tenure?


    Posts on this thread, including this one

  • Tenure Question, 4/05/16, by Concerned employee.
  • Re: Tenure Question, 4/05/16, by depends.
  • Re: Tenure Question, 4/10/16, by Retiree.
  • Re: Tenure Question, 4/10/16, by depends.
  • Re: Tenure Question, 4/18/16, by Retiree.
  • Re: Tenure Question, 4/19/16, by depends, back to Retiree.
  • Re: Tenure Question, 4/19/16, by Retiree to Depends.
  • Re: Tenure Question, 4/25/16, by Concerned employee.
  • Re: Tenure Question, 4/26/16, by Retiree.