Re: Tenure Question
    Posted by: Retiree to Depends on 4/19/16
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    Sorry I missread your post. Clearly we are on the same
    page. Maybe my district was in violation. It is believed
    there that they can string people along indefinitely regarding
    tenure. I think it's awful but who is going to blow the
    whistle?!

    On 4/19/16, depends, back to Retiree wrote:
    > I'm in California as well. I'm not sure why you say the
    > info I posted is "not correct." What you've written
    > doesn't contradict what I wrote as far as I can see (as
    > long as the person you know who was not awarded
    permanent
    > status after five years falls into one of the three
    > categories I described, which I'm guessing they do - if
    > they don't then the district was not following the law).
    >
    > Regarding the number of years, you and I have said the
    > same thing. Your "Instead of it being three years for
    > tenure year, it's only two years" and my "teachers [with
    > the three exceptions] earn permanent status on the first
    > day of their third year" are two different ways to say the
    > same thing. Two years of probationary status, and then
    > permanent status (or "tenure") earned on the first day of
    > the third year.
    >
    > Yes, it used to be longer and yes, when the probationary
    > period was shortened some rights were given up in
    > exchange. I do not like the current system any more than
    > you do, but it is what it is. In other words I basically
    > agree with what you've written so I'm not sure why you
    say
    > the info I posted is "ideal" and "not correct". The system
    > is far from perfect but it is, at least, well-defined.
    >
    >
    >
    > On 4/18/16, Retiree wrote:
    >>
    >> It would be nice and ideal if the info. below was correct
    >> but
    > sadly it
    >> isn't. CTA gave up tenure rights along time ago. Instead
    >> of it being three years for tenure year, it's only two
    >> years. Well
    > with it,
    >> a non tenured fully credentialed, fully qualified teacher
    >> can
    > be let
    >> go and they DO NOT have to state a reason other than,
    >> "You
    > will not
    >> be back next year." Prior to the two year tenure, help
    >> was
    > provided
    >> for struggling teachers and if they still didn't succeed
    >> they
    > could let
    >> them go. This is absolutely correct and was explained by
    >> a CTA attorney. It would be great if the purpose was
    >> weeding out
    > failing
    >> teachers alone. However, if a political hack is waiting
    >> in the
    > wings
    >> for a position, they may get the job. Nice huh??? I think
    >> the
    > old
    >> three year tenure system was far better, but I'm an oldie
    >> and
    > there
    >> are lots of things I liked better in the past. I do know
    >> someone who was strung along for about five years
    > and
    >> still not rewarded tenure. Yes, they CAN DO that!! Fair,
    >> no,
    > but it
    >> happens. So glad I taught when I did and got out when I
    >> did. I never
    > had any
    >> problems but if I would have help would have been nice.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> All fully-credentialed California teachers working in
    >>> regularly-funded, non-temporary positions in public
    >>> schools earn permanent status on the first day of their
    >>> third year. If they do not it is because of one of the
    >>> following specific circumstances:
    >>>
    >>> (a) the teacher is on a temporary contract or is working
    >>> in a categorically-funded position and has never worked
    >>> in a regularly-funded non-temporary position;
    >>>
    >>> (b) the teacher is not fully credentialed (i.e., has an
    >>> emergency credential or substitute permit in place of a
    >>> preliminary credential or clear credential);
    >>>
    >>> (c) the teacher works in a private school, since private
    >>> schools set their own rules regarding certification and
    >>> employment status.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On 4/05/16, Concerned employee wrote:
    >>>>> After working for a school district for four years
    >>>>> could a
    >>>> school district hire a
    >>>>> teacher back the fifth year but not give the teacher
    >>>> tenure?


    Posts on this thread, including this one

  • Tenure Question, 4/05/16, by Concerned employee.
  • Re: Tenure Question, 4/05/16, by depends.
  • Re: Tenure Question, 4/10/16, by Retiree.
  • Re: Tenure Question, 4/10/16, by depends.
  • Re: Tenure Question, 4/18/16, by Retiree.
  • Re: Tenure Question, 4/19/16, by depends, back to Retiree.
  • Re: Tenure Question, 4/19/16, by Retiree to Depends.
  • Re: Tenure Question, 4/25/16, by Concerned employee.
  • Re: Tenure Question, 4/26/16, by Retiree.